XAMPP update

[avandel]

Hi board members,

I have a nagging problem. I run Xampp 3.2.2 (from nov. 12th 2015) and today I was on my Joomla administrator page and read that PHP is going to be unsupported.....
I thought, oh, thats easy........ I wish it was....
I had done a lot, installed a new version of XAMPP, the control gave on two out of four (tomcat and filezilla) nagged about ports being in use... Only XAMPP is using these ports, and it worked before, so there was no reason to give this error...
Then I went back to the old and looked on internet how to update only PHP... Also easy, stopped web server, copied php folder but before I did, I renamed the old one to PHP_5
Starting the XAMPP control panel, and you know it, an error. Now in Apache, so looking into it, resetting my physical server, uninstalling but finally I restored folders from a backup and now I am just as far as when I began....

Why is XAMPP not so smart that it has update possibilities? and how can I update XAMPP without the whole circus go haywire???
I was so content that I got it working after years of not having my webserver active, it would be a shame if I had to stop my webserver because I cannot solve this on my own....

I am no noob, but more into other qualities, and believe me if I say that updating this XAMPP is a pre, and not only for me....

I hope someone can elaborate the update procedure without one of the five services going wrong.... It should not....

Thanks

[Altrea]

Short answer: XAMPP is not designed with updatebility in mind.

[Nobbie]

Why is XAMPP not so smart that it has update possibilities? and how can I update XAMPP without the whole circus go haywire???

Easy answer:

Join the Bitnami Team, offer your knowledge and create update procedures running on Windows and hundreds of different Linux distributions, including to solve the horrendeous difficult problem of integrating User data und User configuration. You will find yourself in big, deep trouble! Welcome to the real world.

[avandel]

Short answer: XAMPP is not designed with updatebility in mind.

?and that is all you have to say? Then it is about time that you so called genius programmers do something about it.....
It is like designing a racecar, that can go really fast, but the steeringwheel is not included..... "Hey, but it can go fast!!!"

Why is XAMPP not so smart that it has update possibilities? and how can I update XAMPP without the whole circus go haywire???

Easy answer:

Join the Bitnami Team, offer your knowledge and create update procedures running on Windows and hundreds of different Linux distributions, including to solve the horrendeous difficult problem of integrating User data und User configuration. You will find yourself in big, deep trouble! Welcome to the real world.

Yeah, no, thanks, I can really do without. There are work horses and race horses, gotta know what you are.... besides, I am to far in life to start anything that predates my education, so, if youngsters made this, they can surely build some update option in it.... A pity they won't see this as a challenge, but that is what it is mostly these days with them young folks, fast and dirty instead of slow and precise.... Pity....
Gonna skip this whole shit and bring my server down, again, because of this shit, again......
Pity.....

[Nobbie]

There are work horses and race horses, gotta know what you are....

I'm a pensioner and i'm dealing here with idiots who think they're the smartest people in the world and are really just talking rubbish.

Besides that i am only an user in this forum.

FInally, obviously you are a noob, because only noobs use Xampp for public servers. A smart race horse installs into a linux environment from a repository and configures everything properly. This gives you all the update options you are looking for, Xampp is meant for beginners without any skills and it is not meant for online servers. Xampp is easily to install, but there is no update option. Fast and dirty instead of slow and precise. Everything comes with a price. So quickly, remove that "Shit" and proof you arent a fool.

[avandel]

There are work horses and race horses, gotta know what you are....

I'm a pensioner and i'm dealing here with idiots who think they're the smartest people in the world and are really just talking rubbish.

Besides that i am only an user in this forum.

FInally, obviously you are a noob, because only noobs use Xampp for public servers. A smart race horse installs into a linux environment from a repository and configures everything properly. This gives you all the update options you are looking for, Xampp is meant for beginners without any skills and it is not meant for online servers. Xampp is easily to install, but there is no update option. Fast and dirty instead of slow and precise. Everything comes with a price. So quickly, remove that "Shit" and proof you arent a fool.

I truly have to confess that not all a computer can do is for me cake... that said, running webserver, mail server, two Windows servers, AD, PLEX, 5 minecraft servers, 1 vanilla and one UT2004 server....
Without any help besides online I try to manage that all, so if you think I am a noob, go right ahead and say so, I tend to spend not much time to the webserver and it is actually fine by me, but I am not gonna rerun all I have to Linux because everybody thinks that is so damn good, I reject that statement, and everybody in the 'Bill' movement, thinks also.

No offense, but what should I use besides xamp then? WAMP? eeek, had that, done that, no way..... This ran from the day I used it fine, so why all of a sudden is it crap? There are people here who build this, they might be offended (or do something about it)( I mean programmer-wise)

So sir, You keep tumbling your head in Linux, I keep it there where my study leads me, even if it is in your eyes a no-go...

[Nobbie]

No offense, but what should I use besides xamp then?

As I said, a linux distribution. What about Ubuntu Server or similar? Thats for professional webhosting.

Or (if you are fixed to Windows) why not downloading and installing all the tools separately? If you need flexibility and need to combine any releases, there is no other way. Actually, its NOT THAT difficult to configure Apache/PHP/MySQL(MariaDB) manually in order to run properly.

P.S.: Actually i REALLY do not understand why people are so "frightened" about Linux? Same people do not have the slightest problem to switch to macOS - even not knowing, that macOS basically is coming from a Unix distribution. But as Apple has a very good marketing, everybody believes in the power of macOS. But also fears Linux... Did you know, that Android is based on Linux as well? Do you prefer Windows smartphones over Android smartphones?

I really dont get it, what is wrong about using Linux? And its free! And most of the software tools are free! Isnt that great?! Why wasting money? And Linux is a really beautiful system, there are many very very beautiful distributions out there.

[Altrea]

Short answer: XAMPP is not designed with updatebility in mind.

?and that is all you have to say? Then it is about time that you so called genius programmers do something about it.....
It is like designing a racecar, that can go really fast, but the steeringwheel is not included..... "Hey, but it can go fast!!!"

All XAMPP component ae open source. Even the XAMPP control panel was written completely by this community. Do it by yourself if you think this is an easy task.

XAMPP does have the functionality it currently has, for years now. Do you know what? It is still one of the most downloaded Webserver stack in the world.
There are other contenders which have the ability to switch or update single components. If XAMPP does not fit your needs feel free to switch to one of the many alternatives.

[avandel]

Short answer: XAMPP is not designed with updatebility in mind.

?and that is all you have to say? Then it is about time that you so called genius programmers do something about it.....
It is like designing a racecar, that can go really fast, but the steeringwheel is not included..... "Hey, but it can go fast!!!"

All XAMPP component ae open source. Even the XAMPP control panel was written completely by this community. Do it by yourself if you think this is an easy task.

XAMPP does have the functionality it currently has, for years now. Do you know what? It is still one of the most downloaded Webserver stack in the world.
There are other contenders which have the ability to switch or update single components. If XAMPP does not fit your needs feel free to switch to one of the many alternatives.

The problem I have, I tried to describe, I do not tend much time on the XAMP Webserver config, because I do not like it, (maybe because I did not follow the IIS course at work...) It is not that I do not like when it works, I dislike the trouble that seems to stack up when something goes wrong, and there is my problem, so I would give money for a automated solution, just I do not get into it anymore....
If you think my problem is solving worth, please, let me know, I'm willing to put effort in it, just to get things updated...

No offense, but what should I use besides xamp then?

As I said, a linux distribution. What about Ubuntu Server or similar? Thats for professional webhosting.

Or (if you are fixed to Windows) why not downloading and installing all the tools separately? If you need flexibility and need to combine any releases, there is no other way. Actually, its NOT THAT difficult to configure Apache/PHP/MySQL(MariaDB) manually in order to run properly.

P.S.: Actually i REALLY do not understand why people are so "frightened" about Linux? Same people do not have the slightest problem to switch to macOS - even not knowing, that macOS basically is coming from a Unix distribution. But as Apple has a very good marketing, everybody believes in the power of macOS. But also fears Linux... Did you know, that Android is based on Linux as well? Do you prefer Windows smartphones over Android smartphones?

I really dont get it, what is wrong about using Linux? And its free! And most of the software tools are free! Isnt that great?! Why wasting money? And Linux is a really beautiful system, there are many very very beautiful distributions out there.

Sir, no disrespect for your capability to pick Linux up so fluently, even with my Netware 5 diploma's, it is UNIX in origin but altered so that it was much better configurable than Windows server, also a bad result of blindly following Microsoft.
In my work we had to keep up, so many courses were needed and since we had to say goodbye to Novell (still miss its power) we had to step to Microsoft, as this is supported, that's why the free Linux flavors are widely answerable, but in a production environment, managers tend to play it safe and go for Billy-boy instead of Thorvald's solution.
Truth is, Linux is beautiful, powerful, versatile and cheap, but every young guy in IT swears by it, because they cannot or will not choose different.

Sad thing is, a lot software programmers don't like to look further, take a handfull Linux programs, chances are that there might be just one that is deploy able outside linux... That should change. Where big software companies build software around multiple OS's just to play safe, Linux programmers don't.
(Or at least I have seen very little of that effort)

Mac OS, that is a whole other game, only for end-users and not for programming, because it is just not its core, and besides, Apple would like to sell you a product that is more expensive and has less capacity, but that is a discussion that can be found all over the world.....
Mac is also stepped from the 68000 processor to Intel, and now I think they go to ARM, but that is just been bought by Nvidia, also not a big fan of apple, they want their own......
No, not fund of apple, but I do use an android smartphone, because I do not like the price they put on apple stuff....
Enough said sir, we agree we disagree? That'll be fine by me.

Ps. I even thought of building a vmware-linux server just for Fog, but earlier attempts got me stuck, and no one seems to be helpful, so that attempt went down the drain.... so much for a free OS. ...

[Nobbie]

managers tend to play it safe and go for Billy-boy instead of Thorvald's solution.

Yes. Sadly.

When i was young (probably in your age today) it was the same thing with IBM. "No one ever has been fired for buying IBM" - thats how it was. And that compares very well to Microsoft today.

But, as already said, i am "out of order", i am a pensioner and i do not care for Microsoft. I started learning and working about UNIX (Berkeley UNIX) in the early 1980's with the Motorola 68000, continued with Nixdorf Targon (Nixdorf was very successfully in Germany in the 1980s) and finally came to Linux (which was "super new" and new to PCs - WOW, there is UNIX for PCs!) and i never left it. Even if i had to work on Microsoft Windows for many years, as we (of course) had to earn money. Today i dont use Microsoft anymore. All "my" programs are running in a Linux environment, the "last battle" was a score program called "Capella" (i am a musician as well) and it needed WIndows. But fortunately, since the last release (Capella 8 ) its running flawlessly under Wine and i am very happy. I do not run any WIndows Installation anymore. Bye bye Microsoft...

[avandel]

Oh, I totally forgot to tell that for Netware and Microsoft, there is so many study material to get to know the software, the ins and outs, that actually makes a better approach towards a successful understanding of the OS intended.
Someting I really missed in the beginning with Linux, still don't get this SUDO wrestling, if you know what I mean. ALSo I find the logic of some things in Linux fall between my logic and education, so I seem to grasp it way not.....
Oh, and If you want to know, I am 56 (today) so, also not the youngest... I think I keep my shit where it is, and not starting to dive into something that I already had an argue with.... (:

[Nobbie]

don't get this SUDO wrestling, if you know what I mean.

Actually that is an "Ubuntu Thing", years ago i worked with RedHat or SuSE etc. and I did not use sudo. That concept (not using root account) came from Ubuntu. But meanwhile I am used to it, i prefer Linux Mint and thats based on Ubuntu. Not such a big deal.

I can no longer work with Microsoft WIndows. Sometimes it is already small things that annoy me. I already get a hate attack when I get the hated blue screen at the beginning or end of a computer session, asking me to wait and not to turn off the computer. And then slowly, very, very slowly, percentages up to 100% count up. Until I am finally allowed to continue... At the latest then I know why I use Linux.

[avandel]

Blue screens do not happen often, on my home pc never had one but on my 2 year old laptop, a few times, but there is much more wrong with this thing.
When I had a bluescreen, I hold the power button down until the pc is off (the laptop mainly) and then turn it back on (im a bit impatient when it comes to that)

[Nobbie]

Blue screens do not happen often, on my home pc never had one but on my 2 year old laptop

No, no, i do not mean THAT blue (error) screen. I mean the standard update screen, everytime Windows does an automatic update. And with Windows10 you cannot configure Windows NOT to do an update, it is forced, And it is quite often, at least after a few days. And sometimes when you want to shutdown, sometimes when your are booting. But always when you are in a hurry... its extremely annoying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SsDwkE_sg