Nope not mad if you post longgggggggggggggggggggggg messages, just not entire httpd.conf cause it is freaking long. Karl, new to apache or not, should have been ok w/ a snip of the config file rather than the whole thing. Btw I was not getting mad, I was just commenting on the immensity of your post, nothing more nothing less, and asking that you not do it in the future. Sometimes everything is too much!